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		<title>By: J. K. Gayle</title>
		<link>http://discipuluscripturae.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/book-the-disciple-whom-jesus-loved/#comment-386</link>
		<dc:creator>J. K. Gayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan,
Glad you are well and that she &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; (past tense) in the hospital in pain.  We&#039;ll keep praying for complete recovery for &lt;i&gt;her&lt;/i&gt; and for you and your daughter while yall all get back to normal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan,<br />
Glad you are well and that she <i>was</i> (past tense) in the hospital in pain.  We&#8217;ll keep praying for complete recovery for <i>her</i> and for you and your daughter while yall all get back to normal.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Stitt</title>
		<link>http://discipuluscripturae.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/book-the-disciple-whom-jesus-loved/#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Stitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooops. &lt;i&gt;My wife&lt;/i&gt; is the one who was in the hospital and in pain. I am doing well fortunately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooops. <i>My wife</i> is the one who was in the hospital and in pain. I am doing well fortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: J. K. Gayle</title>
		<link>http://discipuluscripturae.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/book-the-disciple-whom-jesus-loved/#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator>J. K. Gayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan,
I knew something was up when you were all quiet all of the sudden.  I&#039;m also praying to the Great Physician--He&#039;s a friend of mine--for you, my friend!  Really, I hope you get better 100% real fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan,<br />
I knew something was up when you were all quiet all of the sudden.  I&#8217;m also praying to the Great Physician&#8211;He&#8217;s a friend of mine&#8211;for you, my friend!  Really, I hope you get better 100% real fast.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Stitt</title>
		<link>http://discipuluscripturae.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/book-the-disciple-whom-jesus-loved/#comment-382</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Stitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Kurk. No time to leave a longer reply however. Been in the hospital all day and dealing with medical problems so not sure when I&#039;ll be back. Hopefully something new this weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Kurk. No time to leave a longer reply however. Been in the hospital all day and dealing with medical problems so not sure when I&#8217;ll be back. Hopefully something new this weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: J. K. Gayle</title>
		<link>http://discipuluscripturae.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/book-the-disciple-whom-jesus-loved/#comment-381</link>
		<dc:creator>J. K. Gayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan,
Sorry to come to the conversation so late, but I see that Doug does a great job of laying out the problems with Phillips&#039;s approach.

So I&#039;ll only add that I think there&#039;s great value in the questions.  What if Peter wrote Mark&#039;s gospel, if Paul made plenty of contribution to Luke&#039;s (and Luke&#039;s &quot;Acts&quot;), if John&#039;s gospel and letters and Apocalypse are authored by different people (as is Willis Barnstone&#039;s claim)?  What if the letter to Hebrews is written by Priscilla (as is Adolph Von Harnack&#039;s claim)?

The last question, which is always only refuted by &quot;there&#039;s no evidence to force us to think this,&quot; is important.  Silence seems to work against feminist recovery work.  Seems to.  However, one reason women have had to be silent, and anonymous or pseudonymous, in history and in history writing is because of misogyny and sexism.  

Now, that&#039;s not likely what you were asking for from me, but I do think our generation (but not ours alone) has done a job on our own histories.  What if Priscilla did write Hebrews, and what if Mary of Bethany co authored John the gospel with her brother?  Carolyn Custis James says Mary of Bethany is our first theologian.  And we all know that John&#039;s gospel says the &quot;woman at the well&quot; the Samaritan is the first evangelist; and the gospels collectively don&#039;t disagree that women, after the resurrection, were the first apostles of Jesus to the men disciples ironically who were hiding.  (PS Suzanne McCarthy &lt;a href=&quot;http://powerscourt.blogspot.com/2008/04/let-her-speak-for-herself.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posts today&lt;/a&gt; on a work of recovery of history.)  Given our history, I think it&#039;s always wise to reconsider what we&#039;ve always been told.)

As Doug says, I probably would not have given Phillips&#039;s book much of a look at all (for all the reasons Doug notes) except for your post.  So thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan,<br />
Sorry to come to the conversation so late, but I see that Doug does a great job of laying out the problems with Phillips&#8217;s approach.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;ll only add that I think there&#8217;s great value in the questions.  What if Peter wrote Mark&#8217;s gospel, if Paul made plenty of contribution to Luke&#8217;s (and Luke&#8217;s &#8220;Acts&#8221;), if John&#8217;s gospel and letters and Apocalypse are authored by different people (as is Willis Barnstone&#8217;s claim)?  What if the letter to Hebrews is written by Priscilla (as is Adolph Von Harnack&#8217;s claim)?</p>
<p>The last question, which is always only refuted by &#8220;there&#8217;s no evidence to force us to think this,&#8221; is important.  Silence seems to work against feminist recovery work.  Seems to.  However, one reason women have had to be silent, and anonymous or pseudonymous, in history and in history writing is because of misogyny and sexism.  </p>
<p>Now, that&#8217;s not likely what you were asking for from me, but I do think our generation (but not ours alone) has done a job on our own histories.  What if Priscilla did write Hebrews, and what if Mary of Bethany co authored John the gospel with her brother?  Carolyn Custis James says Mary of Bethany is our first theologian.  And we all know that John&#8217;s gospel says the &#8220;woman at the well&#8221; the Samaritan is the first evangelist; and the gospels collectively don&#8217;t disagree that women, after the resurrection, were the first apostles of Jesus to the men disciples ironically who were hiding.  (PS Suzanne McCarthy <a href="http://powerscourt.blogspot.com/2008/04/let-her-speak-for-herself.html" rel="nofollow">posts today</a> on a work of recovery of history.)  Given our history, I think it&#8217;s always wise to reconsider what we&#8217;ve always been told.)</p>
<p>As Doug says, I probably would not have given Phillips&#8217;s book much of a look at all (for all the reasons Doug notes) except for your post.  So thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: tc</title>
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		<dc:creator>tc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fellas, I&#039;m taking a swipe at the TNIV, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://tcconnecting.blogspot.com/2008/04/in-blogosphere-i-on-record-as-ardent.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I&#039;d like your input&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fellas, I&#8217;m taking a swipe at the TNIV, and <a href="http://tcconnecting.blogspot.com/2008/04/in-blogosphere-i-on-record-as-ardent.html" rel="nofollow">I&#8217;d like your input</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Lazarus and sola scriptura: much better than tradition, Greek and good arguments &#187; MetaCatholic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazarus and sola scriptura: much better than tradition, Greek and good arguments &#187; MetaCatholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stitt points to a book that also comes as a free PDF and e-book. It&#8217;s on that hardy old perennial of the identity of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Stitt points to a book that also comes as a free PDF and e-book. It&#8217;s on that hardy old perennial of the identity of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Stitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Stitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About three weeks ago I read approximately a dozen commentaries on John, specifically the passages about authorship. I know that Witherington is definitely not the first to suggest Lazarus, and the idea goes back centuries, I just don&#039;t know how far. I think that Bruce and Brown might be two that covered this pretty well, but it&#039;s been long enough I don&#039;t remember specifically.

Regardless, this post was not intended to persuade, but to suggest some reading for those who are interested. If I recall correctly, Kurk has hinted more than once this year at alternative authors for Mark&#039;s gospel. I don&#039;t remember the details there either, but I am probably going to look at that next. 

Kurk if you read this comment can you elaborate or point me in the right direction please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About three weeks ago I read approximately a dozen commentaries on John, specifically the passages about authorship. I know that Witherington is definitely not the first to suggest Lazarus, and the idea goes back centuries, I just don&#8217;t know how far. I think that Bruce and Brown might be two that covered this pretty well, but it&#8217;s been long enough I don&#8217;t remember specifically.</p>
<p>Regardless, this post was not intended to persuade, but to suggest some reading for those who are interested. If I recall correctly, Kurk has hinted more than once this year at alternative authors for Mark&#8217;s gospel. I don&#8217;t remember the details there either, but I am probably going to look at that next. </p>
<p>Kurk if you read this comment can you elaborate or point me in the right direction please?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Norelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Norelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just re-read Witherington&#039;s post, and he doesn&#039;t provide anything in terms of support from Church history for Lazarus being the author of John.  He conjectures quite a bit about how Lazarus being the author clears up what Papias said, but Papias certainly never identified the author as Lazarus.  And that&#039;s my main problem with this theory... apparently, no one thought of it before Witherington.  Why is that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just re-read Witherington&#8217;s post, and he doesn&#8217;t provide anything in terms of support from Church history for Lazarus being the author of John.  He conjectures quite a bit about how Lazarus being the author clears up what Papias said, but Papias certainly never identified the author as Lazarus.  And that&#8217;s my main problem with this theory&#8230; apparently, no one thought of it before Witherington.  Why is that?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew R. Malcolm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew R. Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of weeks ago I heard the German NT scholar Jorg Frei speak about the authorship of John&#039;s Gospel.  He follows Martin Hengel in suggesting a conflation of the disciple John with the later &quot;John the Elder&quot; - that is, the later elder John took on the mantle of the disciple John, and brought his tradition into the form of John&#039;s Gospel as we know it today.  I found this an interesting possibility, but I&#039;m happy to be uncertain about it all at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of weeks ago I heard the German NT scholar Jorg Frei speak about the authorship of John&#8217;s Gospel.  He follows Martin Hengel in suggesting a conflation of the disciple John with the later &#8220;John the Elder&#8221; &#8211; that is, the later elder John took on the mantle of the disciple John, and brought his tradition into the form of John&#8217;s Gospel as we know it today.  I found this an interesting possibility, but I&#8217;m happy to be uncertain about it all at the moment.</p>
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